Adhd and dopamine deficiency

I was diagnosed with ADHD in adulthood, and have battled with many behavioral and substance addictions/compulsions over the years. Trying to “fill” the low dopamine though excitement/stimulation and excitement. Sometimes it’s just playing an online speed chess game that gives me the “hit” I crave. Over and over again, instant mental gratification. The inability to self-regulate attention - even playing a million chess games during work hours and feeling like I accomplished very little on work projects. It’s like this compulsion, the ADHD takes the driver seat, and I take the back seat like riding a taxi.

I have tried Ritalin, Biphentin ( Methylphenidate ) etc. but I don’t find it lights up the part of my brain that is deficient and lacking. It’s really hard to find enjoyment in the boring mundane tasks of daily life and responsibilities. Ughhhh it hurts my brain.

Any fellow ADHD people here? Thanks for any input!

I have ups and downs, good days, great days, medium days, and bad days.

I’m looking for ways to offset dopamine in a healthy way.

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Hi. @SuperConductor
Not a ADHD person but have other issues including occasional peocrastination. The first thing that came to mind was tricking your brain and negotiating with it. Try to separate larger tasks into small segments so you have more small moments of gratification. Also try doing things like… ok if i am going to finish this i can play a chess game. Things like this. For example one of my teachers told us the importance od revarding ourselves. He told us something like. Buy a pack of your favourite sweets and each time you have affectively learned a page or chapter or whatever eat one so it triggers the reward sistem. I think things like these might really help you get things done also because you will stop thinking about the work that awaits you but the rewards that await you. I hope this was helpful at least a little. :slightly_smiling_face:

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From: eloquentpetrichor (Discord)

Hello, SuperConductor! I don’t have ADHD or have much experience with it but could you try to make your work projects into a game so that they occupy your brain like the way the chess games do? Or have you tried doing one chess game then 20 minutes of work or something? Or even 10 minutes? I’m sorry if that’s not very helpful. I procrastinate a lot personally but I’ve never found a solution to stop myself doing it except force. :hrtlegolove: I definitely think you should talk to your doctor about it if you can. Maybe there is another method you could try that you haven’t yet that they would know about. I wish you all the luck in finding a healthy source for the dopamine you crave :hrtlegolove:

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From: theladywho (Discord)

hey there, I totally get what you mean. I know for my husband and myself we both can fall victim of games and the distraction/ instant gratification they provide. I know it can be really difficult to pull myself away and do the adulting some days. I am not formally diagnosed with anything but I would say I’m not neurotypical. If you can gamify some things in your life maybe that will help? I know there are apps for that, or you could reward yourself for x amount of time worked not distracted, etc.
Good luck out there!

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From: Lisalovesfeathers (Discord)

Hi Friend, I am grateful that you have shared your post with us thank you. I do not know what it is like to live with ADHD, in fact I know very little about it but it sounds like you try very hard to keep yourself controlled under very difficult circumstances and for that I think you should be applauded. I see you have been given the medication that is prescribed for such a condition and it doesn’t seem to work properly, that must be so disappointing, is your doctor looking into any other medications that may be available or perhaps sending you to some one who specialises in ADHD? I hope that you find the right help and that your life can settle down soon, in the mean time please stick around and make friends. Much Love Lisa

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hey superconductor!

thank you for coming to the forum for support and i hope you are able to get good advice from people who also have ADHD! i’m no doctor nor do i have ADHD but i can say that it’s rare to ever find enjoyment from mundane tasks. however, the real reward can be found when a task is complete. for my brother who has ADHD, it helps him to reframe a task to make things worthwhile. so an example could be him not wanting to change his bed sheets but once he remembers the feeling of new, crisp, warm sheets on his bed, it motivates him to complete that task. same goes for work responsibilities, chores, etc.

when it comes to your medication, have you spoken to your doctor about your concerns? i believe in you to be your own advocate and take the control back on your life!

love,
twix

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Thanks everyone for awesome replies!
I’m going to keep rolling the dice with different meds - until one clicks and does the trick.
I guess next I’ll try Adderall. See how that goes.

I know it’s always treated with a combination of medication and behavioral therapy too. I also have a book on adult ADHD which helps somewhat. But I do wish I had a specialized adhd coach/counsellor.

Appreciate all the points about turning work into a game - and rewarding myself by achieving small goals and rewards. Good ideas!

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Appreciate all the points about turning work into a game - and rewarding myself by achieving small goals and rewards. Good ideas!

Just thought about sharing this free app while reading this part of your response:

It may or may not be helpful to you, but it absolutely fits with the goal of turning work/tasks into a game. I used it when I was at my lowest with my depression and needed something simple and practical to keep me afloat. Just sharing in case it could be helpful for you too.

Also, best of luck for your meds! It’s a bit frustrating when we have to “try and see” basically, but you got this. And it’s always better than not trying at all. :hrtlegolove:

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I signed up! Looks awesome - will give habitica a try.

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We’ve made habitica a family affair! Even my 7 year old son loves it, and it’s motivating him to accomplish goals. He just loves getting coins and upgrading his character/avatar.

Great suggestion, and great app.

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I was diagnosed with ADD in 4th grade. My doc put me on meds, and in very simple elementary terms explained that these meds would only work if I wanted to do well in school. They weren’t miracle drugs, they would just sharpen my focus. In a simpler time when good grades were motivation, meds helped keep me focused on my goals. When I went to college and was completely burned out with education, all the Adderall in the world couldn’t make me care about classes.

Finding joy, getting the dopamine hit is hard. I spent my childhood in an Adderall fog, only focused on doing well in school, so I’ve spent my adulthood trying to find what brings me joy with limited success. I tend to be low energy, so I don’t crave the dopamine hit, but life without joy is a drag. The closest I got was when I dated a girl who was always chasing the next dopamine hit and refused to settle for anything less than a good time. Going on that ride with her was the most fun I’ve had in my life, but the joy and euphoria was temporary and circumstantial for both of us, and ultimately the fun stuff we did wasn’t fulfilling and left us wanting more. Fulfillment is not an adrenaline rush, but a more foundational sense of accomplishment in what you’re doing, and it takes awhile to find and foster.

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We’ve made habitica a family affair! Even my 7 year old son loves it, and it’s motivating him to accomplish goals. He just loves getting coins and upgrading his character/avatar.

Oh my! Haha, that’s so cool! Love this!! :laughing: :hrtlegolove:

Amazing points! The long term deep satisfaction comes from the big picture, not the rush of exhilaration. So true! Nevertheless - low dopamine in the brain is a real thing, finding the ways to balance and normalize is the challenging part of the journey. As you well said:

it takes awhile to find and foster.

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Heya, I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD, but I’ll be honest with you, I have stopped taking medications for it a long time ago. I was diagnosed with it as a child and given many types of medications for it, ecspecially Ritalin. And I’ll be honest, taking these medications hurt me more than help, ended up with eating disorders because of the lack of appetite, health issues caused from it like a good handful of digestive issues. Highened of mental disorders because the medications put me in a deep zombie like state with lack of emotional response to anything, which, only ruined my future mental health and potential for socializing in the long run, and well as bringing up brand new personality disorders. For me, it kinda ruined my life, but then again I was a child. For now I’ve found with my psychiatrist mood stabilizers or narcoleptic meds could help. I’m not very trusting of my psychiatrist honestly, but Its the best one I’ve got. I’m trying to find anything that can either highen mood or wake my energy levels up to help me focus. But if I’m to be honest, the thing that has helped me the most in my entire life, would be to locate certain triggers that could cause the ADHD to spring up, and avoid them before it takes notice. Though, it’s not easy at all, but I’ve found the best coping mechanism for it is to give yourself a time to rest for a bit, and then jump back in. I find with my ADHD I get distracted and tired more easily if I’m triggered by a topic that my brain thinks is too difficult to focus on. And it can discourage me greatly, so I give myself a bit to understand something, like taking it step by step, or incorporating things I like into the subject, such as doodling or working out the actual topic in a lab. There’s lots of ways to work with ADHD instead of repressing it, but I do understand how much easier it would be to find a way to get rid of it, just depends on which is more difficult.

In my experiences in life, ADHD can be a great asset, or your worst enemy, it just depends on what it wants to work with, and what makes it cooperate.

-System Irigiad

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Thanks for your personal experience! And good tips/feedback. We’re not alone, glad to have fellow ADHD support.

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It’s frustrating when we expect the meds to “DO” something. And people talk about it not having any noticeable affect to improve daily adult life and productivity/focus.

Hmmmm, I was only diagnosed recently as an adult, so I wasn’t medicated as a child.
My son is 7 and also has ADHD and very low appetite with the meds. Actually his appetite was low to begin with too.

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Yea, most of the medications I took I remember them working too well on me and after a few months didn’t work unless I increased them, and when they increased I became less and less myself with more and more negative side effects. It was like giving up my humanity to become a “perfect person”, I honestly wasn’t who I used to be anymore, I lost alot of my emotions, and became very slow functioning, and ofc all of this in exchange for focusing and making straight A’s, when I was only 6 years old, something I didn’t actually want. I just wanted my mom to love me. Tbh I would never reccomend it to a child for the reasons of what happened to me, the changes were… Very permanant, and only after all these years I’ve gained my emotions back. These days when I take ADHD medications they don’t do anything to me, and if I were to increase the dosage it would only cause more liver damage to me.

As for any medications, yea, it sucks when they have no affect on you when you want it to, but that’s why we need to be able to work on ourselves personally. I only take medications if I know for sure I need it, otherwise I’m always careful with the dosages.

I’ve found that taking ADHD medications also causes a reliant because when you aren’t on it you don’t know how to control yourself, this is why I think it’s more important to teach yourself than just take a bunch of medications, ecspecially as a child. Tbh I’m pretty against ADHD medications unless you’re an adult and know you need it. If I could have changed anything about my life as a child, it would be to not have been put on ADHD medications. There’s alot of my childhood that has become very foggy and unemotional. It’s hard to remember the good times because of that, which I think is what fed my depression and personality disorder. It pretty much took away alot of my childhood, because being forced to take ADHD meds by my mother made me think I had to do it to be a good kid and be loved, when, my mother could have instead just used her psychology degree to understand me and give me therapy instead of beating the shit out of me. I know it’s not my place to say, but, when it was me back then, I know all I wanted from my mom was for her to understand and help me, maybe get me a therapist instead of drugging me for half of my childhood. Sorry it got a bit deep but, ADHD meds are very serious and can have a negative affect if not used properly and without the proper knowledge, I know doctors give it out like it’s nothing over here so it’s important for one to do their own caretaking with it.

I actually don’t ever remember my appetite being low before medications, I had a pretty high appetite and energy level before then, I was also a very happy kid, aside from the occasional anxiety.

Overall my experience is just one of many, ofc many others could have a completley different story, the main thing is just the matter of knowing what you’re doing, and not always trusting a doctor so easily. As I said before, my mother has a psychology degree and she understands nothing about it, and so did all of my previous psychiatrists who just threw the drugs at me and didn’t even bother to look at my face when they did. Plus there also the huge issue of doctors diagnosing children without even giving them a proper evaluation. The only reason they knew I had it is because of how severe it was with me. I would be so impulsive to a point where I would rely on pure instinct and wouldn’t remember anything I had done, but I’d feel extremely bad because I was hated by my mom for it.

This is just one of the few issues in trusting someone who’s supposed to help you. Don’t be afraid to do your own research.

There’s a ton about the psychology of ADHD in the mind that is very important to understand, so I’m glad you’re reading about it. An ADHD coach/counseler sounds lik an awesome idea! but I’ve never had one so I actually don’t know if there is one.

I’m hoping where you are they do indeed do behavioural therapy with it, because that will prevent a huge lot of the things that has happened to past clients like me and alot of people where I live.

Hopefully you’ll find the perfect medication for youself ^~^

-X

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Got my 10mg Adderall today - gonna give it a try!

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