Date Raped at 17 (Long Story)

So many stories here have helped me to feel okay, so I figured I would give back in hopes that my story might comfort someone else who may have experienced something similar. I was raped when I was 17 on a family vacation, and for 8 years of my life I blamed myself. At the time I had a boyfriend, who I am still with today 10 years later and we are now engaged. However, for 8 years I did not tell him, or anyone what happened to me. I hid it in the back of my mind and often times pretended like it didn’t even happen, like it was some sort of weird bad dream. But as I started getting older, and thinking about marriage with the love of my life, I had to tell him what happened so many years ago.

It went down like this: When I was on vacation with my family I also had one of my girlfriends with me, and we bought drinking wristbands from two resort employees even though we were only 17. We then decided to go to the disco on the resort that night. We met these two guys and hung out a bit, but I remember saying to one of them who was clearly interested in me that I was not looking to hook up with anyone because I had a boyfriend back home, so if he was “looking to get laid” he should move on to someone else. He seemed disappointed but sort of shrugged it off. They walked us back to our hotel room (big mistake, because now they knew where our room was) and they hung out for a bit longer in our room just chatting. I was laying on the bed and the guy then laid down beside me and started kissing me. I pushed him off and said no, then they both left.

The next day we saw them again at the club, being two 17 year olds with wristbands we wanted to have fun and party, and I want to kick myself so hard for going back there. When you are young you feel invincible, like you have total control over your own destiny and nothing bad could even happen to you. But it did. We continued to party, dance and drink, which at the time I thought was innocent enough. At some point in the night, I started feeling very different, not drunk, but something different. They were getting us drinks all night, it was an all-inclusive resort they didn’t even have to pay, but I’m sure they could pay some bartenders to supply them with date rape drugs. I will never know how they got the drugs, or what they even were, but I know that I was not just drunk those nights, and there is a reason that two days blurred into one in my memory, because that’s how messed up my memory is when it comes to this.

Anyway, I remember bits and pieces of those nights, but it is never a full picture. I remember going to a burger joint at some point and feeling really out of body, like I wasn’t there. I remember skinny dipping at one point, and seeing my friend run away, but I couldn’t call out to her even when I tried. The most disturbing thing I remember is him, on top of me in bed. I was so confused, and so out of it. I remember feeling numb, like I couldn’t feel anything that was happening to me. I remember not being able to speak, I remember feeling like what was happening, wasn’t really happening to me but to someone else. I remember feeling nothing at all, emotionally, physically, mentally, and being in-and-out of consciousness. The next morning, he was gone and my friend came back to our room and we both said that we think we had sex last night (he had a friend that clearly liked her as well). We both seemed unsure. I still don’t know how she feels about that night, we have sort of lost touch after this event.

I think one of the major reasons I blamed myself for everything is because I went back to the club a second night even after all this just happened to me. At the time, I was 17 and did not have much experience with sex and so I think that I was just really confused, and I thought that it was just a “drunken mistake” or something. We both went back to the club the next night, and they were there, and we talked to them like nothing was wrong at all. I cannot believe how I reacted. My therapist thinks I went back because I was looking for answers, which is comforting. But, I also think we went back because we wanted to carry on like nothing bad happened, if we just kept on our same pattern of underage drinking and partying, then we didn’t have to stop and think about what just happened. The second night the only memory I have is him passed out on the foot of the bed naked, and I woke up confused and angry so I started kicking him to wake him up. I kicked him so hard that he fell to the floor, and just laid there on the ground. I passed out after this.

It’s really hard to get to the truth of something when you don’t have all the information yourself. But I found that in my lack or memory is the truth itself, this wasn’t my fault. How could I blame myself for something I don’t even remember? I couldn’t answer any of my boyfriend’s basic questions when I first told him I thought I cheated on him many years ago. Where were you? I’m not sure. How long was it? I don’t know. What did he look like? I can’t really remember. How did it happen? I don’t know. I don’t remember how it started, or how it finished. All I remember is feeling numb and out of it, with fragmented memories. I realize this story is a difficult one to understand, I struggled for about a year to finally figure out how to define what happened to me. I have never been so confused in my life, and under so much pressure. I was terrified to identify as a rape survivor because I didn’t want to incorrectly label myself. I didn’t want to say I was raped until I was 100% sure that’s what it was, and it was a really difficult journey to get there. My boyfriend proposed to me a year after I came out with all this, and he has been the most amazing support through it all. Sometimes it is difficult because he has doubts. Sometimes he is scared that I am lying, that I am hiding from the truth, that I cheated on him. And whenever he gets upset and says things like “I hope you’re not lying” or “I hope you’re not wrong” I get super angry. But I have to remember everything I put him through too, I did say I cheated on him, even though I was wrong about that it still hurts him. It’s hard sometimes to feel bad for yourself and for others around you at the same time. Comforting him seems so backwards when I feel like he is accusing me of lying, but I know I have to be patient and realize what I’ve put him through emotionally. I am still terrified of people calling me a liar, and questioning my story. I feel like for a year I was in an intense interrogation room and now I feel very sensitive when he questions me. I guess all I can do is find reassurance that I figured out the truth for myself, finally. I tried to talk to my mother about it as an adult, but she really didn’t want to discuss it at all, and directed me to therapy instead, which kind of hurt because I felt like she wasn’t listening or understanding how much pain I was in.

Life is a bit of a struggle still. I have trouble dealing with things from time to time, especially when it comes to things involving the sexualization of women, which is a prominent theme in Western society. I can’t stand it when people “check me out” on the street, or when people talk about porn, I just get super uncomfortable and very angry. But I am getting stronger on the daily, and I no longer blame myself for what happened to me, which incites mixed emotions of relief, anger and sadness simultaneously.

My advice to others, if you are confused about something that has happened to you, talk to someone. I wish I had much earlier. <3

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Hi!

It was super brave of you to reach out and write down so much of your story.

I can’t read your story right now due to personal reasons… however, I want you to know that you are not alone and that you matter.

I hope that you have been able to talk about your experience. If you have not, I encourage you to reach out to a therapist, a group site like RAINN, or a crisis phone or text line.

I care.

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I think that you should go to couples therapy (or someplace where you both feel emotionally safe and have a moderator, which is basically couples therapy) and tell your fiancé an in-depth version of this and how you feel about it and how you feel about the way that he has been handling it, because this is going to slowly accumulate resentment. Then he gets to talk and you will learn why he is doing it and how he feels. If both partners are committed to the relationship, communication between the two partners will solve everything else. For anti-anxiety purposes: if your relationship is so brittle that couples therapy can break it, it will break later and that would be even more painful (now vs. future works on my anxiety).

One day, a few decades ago, a woman asked for jeans that would show off her curves. I think that this is ridiculous because you can’t use the pockets or do anything that jeans are supposed to do. But the woman who bought the curvy jeans now has a husband who looks at her differently when she wears them and she feels sexy. Now that style gets bought because they are there and you know if they fit you because of the tag. Men are built to notice and look at curves and skin. It’s possible not to but it’s very difficult. The best way to get people to stop ogling you is to wear something that doesn’t show curves and skin. If you can’t find any in the women’s section, go to the men’s.

This is a very sad story about two cruel men and two innocent young ladies… If he loves and trusts you, why would he doubt your account of what happened? As it was rape, you were also not unfaithful to him…

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Hi George,
Thanks for your comments and concerns, but my fiancee and I are doing very well (I actually wrote this a few years ago, but just posted it to this website recently to help others).

Also, I’d like to note that your last paragraph, about wearing baggy clothes is missing the mark completely. I don’t wear revealing, tight, or sexy clothing, I get oogled in track pants, it doesn’t matter what I wear. And placing blame on how women dress is contributing to the larger issue. The fact that you say “men are built to notice and look at curves and skin” is something that has been culturally and socially constructed, and perpetuates disrespectful behaviour. Also, I’m not an unreasonable person, I know I’m a pretty young lady and people like to notice good-looking people. But there is a big difference between a quick glance at someone pretty, and someone literally looking me up and down like they are about to devour me, and taking their time while doing so. I know you are trying to help, but for future reference, DO NOT blame it on how a woman is dressed. First of all, you don’t even know me or how I dress, and also, it does not address the larger issue. Again, I get oogled in track pants, so please tell me what else I can wear that is baggier and will prevent people from undressing me with their eyes?

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He doubted my story because when I first came out with everything I told him I had cheated on him when I was 17. I truly believed it was my fault, and it was actually talking things out with my boyfriend that helped me realize it wasn’t my fault at all. I am very grateful that he was there to listen <3

Hello fellow Panda!
Thank you so much for your support, I really appreciate it. And I am also here if you ever want to connect :slight_smile: <3

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I commend you Panda for reaching out and talking to someone. Not too many come forward to express what happened to to them because of shame, guilt or embarrassment. I was raped too by a sociopath woman she almost killed me. But I am glad you are we were you can be open and seek support from a loving and caring community. I pray you find healing.

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Hi there,
Thanks for the support. I’m sorry you went through something traumatic as well, and I am happy you are still here on earth :slight_smile: <3

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How women dress is one of many contributing factors of the objectification and sexualization of women and… other… stuff. The different ways it contributes is its own terrifying topic that may or may not explain why you get ogled wearing track pants. Creepy. I’m not going to explain it in this thread. Flagrant ogling is a way to non-verbally ask and agree to sex. Counter: Vicious Mockery, mean enough that they don’t come back. :thinking: There should be a subreddit for that.

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Perhaps this comic strip will help clear things up for you. (Note how she isn’t dressed provocatively at all! GASP!) The sexualization of women is a problem that is centuries old and spans across geographies and cultures. It did not begin with the invention of “curvy jeans” as you suggest in your analogy.

Also, I don’t remember asking for anyone’s advice or a poorly explained version of women’s sexual oppression, from a dude of all people. Also, I’m currently pursuing a PhD so I’m pretty certain that I’ve read more extensively on this topic than you, so I really don’t need you “to explain it in this thread.” This will be my last response to you as well, because I’m not wasting any more energy on this. I hope your perspective changes, for your own sake. <3

P.S. Please don’t suggest that women verbally attack men who oogle them, this is not only poor advice but also can lead women into even more dangerous situations (being physically attacked, followed home, etc.) Thanks!

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We all have to take responsibility for how modestly we dress, in order to not offend others, or provoke people into stupid comments or drunken gropes or inappropriate and unwanted advances. Both men and women and even young girls and boys and teens out and about in public. However, the rapist, domestic or sexual or emotional abuser or blackmailer, harasser, molester, verbal whistler, annoying thug, pathetic sexist, or outspoken over-direct feminist and lesbian/bi lad-talk, rude bigot, macho loser, show-off to his/her mates is nearly always the one to put most of the blame on, if not all of it. Be wise. Dress according to the circumstances, day, time of day and within the cultural norms and accepted conventions, but also express yourself and be your own person, not just a boring British or American clone who conforms and dresses like Joe Bloggs or John Smith (or John Doe!) or Josephine Blogger or Johanna Jones (or Jo Doe!) just to fit in and not stand out or be criticised or praised publicly or privately. Respect others privacy and sensitivities, but don’t let people tell you what to do or where to go or what you can wear, unless you are causing a riot or dressing so provocatively and skimpily that a drunk man or woman or stalker or rapist or lonely man or woman follows you home or propositions you or otherwise frightens or worries you. Our Society is on the edge of either adjusting and improving or continuing to decline and rebel and disregard others’ views and morality. Dress, speech and conduct have always been strongly debated and often disagreed on, especially on naturist beaches and in very hot countries, or highly religious or strict nations, or women-oppressing/suppressing/dominating male hierarchy of mostly man-made rules and customs voted in without any consultation with woman or girls, who often have no vote, or no say, or simply aren’t listened to… LET’S ALL NOT TOLERATE ABUSE, SEXUAL AND PHYSICAL HARASSMENT, NAME-CALLING, THREATS, STALKING, UNWANTED TOUCHING, INDECENT AND PHYSICAL ASSAULT, BULLYING, MARGINALISING, PATRONISING OR STIRRING UP ANGER AND RIOTING FOR NO GOOD REASON. Hope this all makes sense!

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“Stop staring at my ass”, said the American woman to the English man. “I am not staring at your ass, young lady. I was starring at your bottom”. “I don’t care if you’re staring at either asses, or my arse, just stop staring at me, it’s wrong”. “You do not have a stupid ass, you have a nice arse!” “The only stuoid arse and silly ass is right in front of me right now” “Erm, sorry, you’re right, I guess” "That’s the bottom-line - stop annoying, harassing and intimidating ladies and men and children and teenagers - just get on with your life and mind your Q’s and 'R’s. If I stared at your big nose, fat beer-belly or open flies, you would tell me off and tell me to go away and stop staring. Now let me get on with my day and go pester your friends or I will shout out loud to those around us, “Go away pervert! Stop staring at me! Leave me alone, you dirty old man/woman!”

Huh? I was saying, very inarticulately, to blame women’s clothing because it affects other women, pays the fashion houses that make the billboards, and because not looking at the the effects and affects tied to women’s clothing opens a hole in where we look for vectors of a cultural disease we cannot afford.

(I agree with what you said in caps)

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I have read this post before and was very saddened and angered by your and many other people’s experiences, in particularly, often drunken or drug-fueled macho/feminist/lesbian showing-off, herding instinct and group consensus based around the lowest common-denominator in the crowd or group… Or Brett Kavanaugh and friend’s apparent/plainly evident likely abuse cover-up of clearly true and painful and embarrassing victim testimony, for just one of many examples, or gang rape, or pressuring women or men into going somewhere or doing things they do not want to do (whatever there is or they are). Find willing or consenting or active people to interact with and stop when you go too far, or stop when they go too far and make it very plain, no further. Slow down, stop or leave right now.

Date rape and gang rape, etc. are pure evil and done by mostly impotent men who treat women and girls like sex play-things for their own pleasure and fun. Chat up, befriend, seduce, charm, but please, please don’t ever sexually or physically force yourself on an unwilling or non-consenting lady/man/person/teen, etc., without invitation or a green-light to proceed with consent.

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I didn’t like how Kavanaugh’s accuser was treated, bringing her out at the end like that. She should have been brought out sooner, not used solely to attack him. She should have had a chance to be heard. She has needs, too.

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Brett Kavanaugh and best friend’s alleged victim - I forget her name, sorry, but she had clearly suffered terribly during and after the incident which remained indelible on her memory and psyche for decades. Even the Republican Senators said they believed she was highly plausible and believable and clearly genuine and highly upset. They then went on to say that BK was totally innocent, there was no evidence against him and she must be mistaken it was him and his best friend, despite her testifying under challenge that she was “100% sure it was him, without a shadow of doubt.” Electing a sexual abuser or woman abductor / ridiculer / sexist / macho-idiot to the American Senate is giving an effective Green Light to men who oppress women and girls and ruin ladies’ lives by scaring, threatening, sexually or physically abusing or otherwise emotionally or psychologically injuring them, through not fault or blame of their own…

I don’t care if it was Kavanaugh that did it to her or not, she didn’t deserve to be a laughingstock.

Men, women, both are first people. I don’t know why we pretend different.

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She was only made a laughing-stock by the corrupt Republican Senators and Representatives who wanted BK to be elected at almost any cost, for both Donald Trump and their only political agendas, regardless of the emotional, financial and safety issues that this then caused to her (public and internet death and rape threats, etc.) No women or man would risk such humiliation if she were a false accuser who could make no monetary or social benefit from publicly sharing her story (which she was effectively force to share publicly in the Senate Judiciary and to the watching World on TV and the Internet, New Media, etc.). Slightly misled or misrecollected, or not, she saw herself and clearly suffered greatly as a significant victim and said she only came forward because wanted to try and stop the man becoming in a position of high power and influence, without apologising or admitting his mistake as an arrogant and drunk youth). I believe Ford’s Testimony. Even if she was mistaken, the fact that there was a generally agreed “credible and convincing account”, with a clearly direct, honest and non-Partisan motive. She was risking her own life and Worldwide reputation and career for what? The Truth. An apology. An admission. I withdrawal of Application if he was willing or simply a confession that he MAY have done things whilst drunk or on drugs that he cannot fully recollect and is very, very sorry IF he did such a thing to any woman or girl in the past. No legal confession. No charges. Just compassion and honesty. IF he had done this, I am sure both sides of the Senate and House of Representatives would’ve admired him and even voted for his Election to Office be a significant majority. He showed no humility or compassion for Ford. He was clearly obsessed by himself, his career, his reputation and paid little attention to her suffering, humiliation and public ridicule. In my view, guilty, partly-guilty or innocent, he did himself no favours and simply ended up exposing the Partisan and highly Polarised Rifts in American Politics and Class/Social Divides, for all manner of motives and reasons that most people can seen the hypocrisy and illogicality and unhelpful for the American Nation and the watching World. Disgusting exhibition of how not to conduct Political Debate and damage Citizens’ Faith and Trust in their Representatives or a blind belief in the unimpeachable and saintly Candidates (and no one is perfect, nor doesn’t have historical mistakes, errors, words and actions they later regret or are exposed for.) Sadly, British Politics is going the same way - Confrontational, Polarised Them-And-Us, “We’re Right, You’re Wrong!”, rather than "You’re partly right and maybe we’re partly wrong, so let’s sit down and talk it all through politely and respectfully in a spirit of mutual cooperation with a positive end in mind for all concerned.

The democrats kept her back 20 days. I don’t like either party, anymore.

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