I'm highly considering leaving Christianity

While i liked the concept of god being a king and having a kingdom in my younger years I am now taking that extra step to quitting it again once and for all. My mother would make me go to church while I lived in her household but ever since I got kicked out I decided to go to Catholicism since that’s where I started with christianity. As someone who used to have a clown and royalty spirit I can obviously tell how some practices can lead people astray. Should I step in and help? Or should i be happy that i’m out and start my own life? I really don’t like that christianity and other religions for that matter that promote capitalism.i think capitalism alienates us from our humanity and nature and turns us into work robots. I tried protesting against it at Walmart the other day. This Walmart is already reaching late state capitalism by the way. There is way more self checkouts than cashiers. I got a 12 pack of soda and told the people in charge of the self checkouts that I had money to pay for them but that I wasn’t. I told them that I preferred socialism, and that we as humans are above the systems that we create rather than trapped in them. Obviously they took the sodas away, and threw them in the trash can. Which was very rude of them. Moral of the story they treated me bad and the security pushed me out of the store. I think I should lead people away from capitalism because I think it’s wrong and it’s going to be a dead memory in people.A nice concept turned into a nightmare. I also think that a lot of practices and teaching in christianity are meant for us to leave them behind and to change them for better ones. I don’t like this concept because I think they’re going to be dead memories as well.So for this reason I am leaving the Christianity. Do y’all think this is a good idea? Or is this just part of the process? I went to church today but just made the decision to leave a couple of hours ago. I don’t want to loose my communion and sense of humanity though. Should I go into another religion? Can y’all recommend me any religions or social groups where I can build more bond and humanity with people.

Hi Yahir
First of all let me commend you for writing all your thoughts down and seeking external input. Transitioning out of a religion or even just questioning your reasons for believing can be a very emotional and isolating process. I was brought up in a muslim household and eventually began questioning the religion because I just didn’t agree with the morality that was being preached in it. I eventually left it completely but it was a very arduous and isolating journey. Nobody can answer whether you should leave a religion or not because it is a deeply personal facet of our lives and more often than not it is connected to our social structure we learn to rely on. That being said, thinking for ourselves and choosing our own moral compass is a very integral part of growing up. You will eventually form your own personal brand of morality which may or may not completely align with the religion you were brought up in. For some people religion provides the solace of spirituality, comfort of community or hope in dark times. If you feel that is important to you then take it slowly. Ask probing questions of yourself specifically about your motivations for any such decision. Capitalism and religion are very separate things. Your concerns are more about the morality of the system we live in and how we serve it rather than it, us.

If you do choose to step out of religion, know that you won’t be alone though. There are social groups and societies for atheists all over the world and they all tend to be very inclusive and supportive. I live in a hard religious country and I still managed to find a tribe of likeminded individuals. And more importantly most of my social circle believes in a wide array of religions and world views. We all accept each other’s right to choose for themselves and as a result accept each other as they are. The sense of communion and humanity you seek can be found even in your existing circle as long as they learn to accept you for who you are.

If you have doubts and concerns you should voice them in a non confrontational manner. It is ok to question things. That is how we form opinions and viewpoints about the world. And know that these viewpoints are often fluid and can change many times in your life. Keep yourself open and accepting of new viewpoints and gauge them all rationally and meritoriously for yourself. See what works for you and continue to dive deeper. Look for why you believe in rather than just what. If you are comfortable with the why, only then can the what be addressed.

I hope this message wasn’t too rambly and it helped you even a little bit. I’m more than happy to expand upon anything you want. Stay strong mate. You’re not alone :slight_smile:

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Thank you for responding @Juggernaut :grinning: The reason that I say that christianity supports capitalism is because I associate materialism and kingdoms with capitalism. Christianity is a religion that promotes its God as a king. Already sounds very materialist to me. Even in the lords prayer it mentions thy kingdom come. A capitalist country or society is obviously materialistic. For example, the United Kingdom has one of the most extreme forms of capitalism in the world. If you search up what religion has the most millionaires you will see that it’s christianity. You know I tried going shirtless to a church service once and the goers there wouldn’t let me in. I go to this church by the way. They said that I wasn’t respecting God by not having a shirt on. Which is a huge red flag of corruption. In other words christianity is a materialistic religion. And capitalism is a materialistic system. Capitalism cares about producing and not about bond or humanity or even health for that matter.

Also I tried just talking about these things here at church and just with people in general before I confronted the Walmart people. I thought it would be the perfect spot to do it because socialism thoughts tend to rise in areas that are in late stage capitalism. I also go to this Walmart all the time. They also have elders are greeters, so yeah it definitely was the perfect place for peaceful confrontation.

Where can I go just to get away from materialism and perfectionism ? Like there has to be places for the purpose of random people just talking about random stuff in person without there being loud music or without it being a business.

I do completely get your association of religion with capitalism. Unfortunately capitalism permeates everything and religion in itself has become sort of a business. The disengenuity and hypocrisy of the preachers was one the reasons why i chose to leave religion behind myself.

These ideas need to be discussed in an open and non judgemental setting. When you go to walmart and raise this issue, you are confronting individuals who are just as much a part of the machine as you are with just as little influence. In settings like this or at the local church, you are more likely to face an emotional backlash as a reaction rather than an open discussion. Rational open discourse is possible but it starts with your inner circle in a comfortable and accepting setting. You have to understand that you raising these topics forces people to confront with ideas they have often spent a lifetime repressing or not even thinking about. It requires a delicate touch and you develop that over time. Initially I used to have the militant fervor to argue every injustice or moral discrepancy I saw on the spot very aggressively (and if I’m honest, very self righteously). I learnt to temper myself and learnt to ease people in to these conversations over time. I have found great open discourse in some of the most unlikely places. From a local bar full of foreigners to late night sittings with old mates. One can have stimulating discussions which allow us to air out our own views and maybe learn something new in the process. If you are currently having a difficult time finding those situations in your physical space then perhaps consider joining some nice discord servers. Pop in to one of the voice chats and have a discussion. Online communities allow us to find tribes far beyond our physical borders and you’ll be pleasantly surprised how receptive and welcoming they can be. Look where you are right now for example :wink:

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Thanks a lot @Juggernaut :grinning:

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You’re always welcome mate. Happy to help in any way I can :slight_smile:

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Hi Yahir,
I am so sorry that you are going through a difficult time. I feel like your life experiences have taught you that Christianity and capitalism don’t align well with your worldviews, especially when you see the people suffering and alienated by these practices. It takes a lot of courage to question the very principles that your mom taught you, and I am sure that you will work out your doubts to uncover your truth about this world.

Something interesting I noticed in your response was the way you characterized capitalism in Christianity, and because of that, I have decided to focus my attention on that. Although there are some points in the Bible that supports capitalism, I would argue that there are many more that argue against it. I have put the Bible verse and an interpretation to the side.

  1. Matthew 21:12-13 Jesus overturns the table of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. Basically, Jesus condemns those who sell in a place of worship and condemns them from robbing people of their money due to their unfair prices. Essentially, Jesus condemns exploitation of businesses on consumers.

  2. Matthew 6: 24 “You cannot serve both God and money”

  3. Matthew 19:21 " Sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven"

  4. Mark 10:25 " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."

  5. Matthew 25: 34-36 " For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me."

  6. Luke 6:24-25: “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.”

There are many more quotes than this, but one major commonality of these quotes is a call for Christians to turn away from exploitation, greed, and material wealth, and turn towards serving others with compassion, mercy, and forgiveness.

I feel like you have been exposed to fake Christian’s. For example, those who may preach the same messages that I’ve quoted, but don’t act in accordance with the message. Basically, they may be a bunch of hypocrites. For example, there are megachurches that encourage people to donate money, but they end up using the money for lavish items like airplanes rather than helping the marginaized. Obviously, no one is perfect in perfectly emulating God’s message, but there may be Churches out there that do a better job than others. If you are able to find this church, I believe you will experience Christianity as it relates to your worldviews. In the meantime, I feel like you would benefit from reading the Bible to not only understand the truth of Christianity but also understand the disconnect between the teachings of the Bible and the way people practice it. If you don’t have that much time, I would highly recommend downloading the CHATGPT app and asking it question that you have a difficult time answering.

At the end of the day, I support whatever route you choose to go as long as it makes you happy and satiates your understanding of the world!

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Thank you for responding @Bennett_Thomas :grinning: Yeah I’m started to read the book of Luke. I feel like in my life I just ended the book of job. Some little background of me I’m currently homeless and always enjoyed being solo, and my parents are separated. I feel like growing up I was very talented and basically achieved anything I put my mind too. Do you think I could possibly be a prodigy kid that Luke talks about? Am I that rebel sheep? If so, should I go visit my father instead of enjoying my solitude? Should I not take the challenge of building my life with my own individual knowledge and own connections? I feel like if I do go this route I would go from cat spirit energy to dog spirit energy.

If you do think I should go that route, would that make this current lifestyle that i’m living a dead memory? I would like to think that I can enjoy my solitude and travel. But I would still want to make some memories with my family. Realistically and unfortunately I feel like me going to my mom or dad is just a past life. They both have their own families now and I feel like it’s up to me to figure out what to do with my life which I did find easy up until I started to reflect on life. Also I still do enjoy my solitude which i’m now starting to realize how it’s a problem. Any advice helps. You know what I’ve thought about it some more and I will be definitely be leaving Catholicism, and Christianity as well. I’ll leave that crown of death to Jesus.

Hi Yahir,
I’m sorry that your life feels like it is like the book of Job. But it seems like you have yet to experience a resolution to your suffering, which Job did experience once God blessed him for his faithfulness despite adversity. It seems like your adversity is so great with battles against homelessness and parental separation. I can’t imagine the toll it has taken on you, possibly draining you of hope. Did the toll of your adversities limit your ability to use the great talents you possess?

I certainly think you could be the prodigal son or the lost sheep. It seems like you feel like you’ve strayed from the conventional road your parents would have liked and that you may be experiencing regret regarding your decision. (I’m sure you know this but on a symbolic note, the father represents God the Father as well and his unconditional love for us despite sinning). I feel like the emotional closure you may receive from meeting your parent’s again may do wonders for you. Another thing I would like to mention is that I feel like you may create a false dichotomy in your choices. For example, you could visit your father and enjoy solitude at the same time. Thats what I do because my own father annoys me so much. Maybe finding time to meet up with your parents, assuming they will provide unconditional love and support for you, may be uplifting to you. Similarly, you could build your life using your own knowledge while also relying on the social connections your parents and friends have. Relying on your own social connections is extremely difficult and I believe that you would progress faster to your goals if you relied on the kindness of others. But at the same time, you should rely on your own knowledge if you truly desire the challenge that life brings. But what I’m trying to say is that you could use both ways and see which one provides greater fulfillment in your life.

I don’t think your current lifestyle is a dead memory, especially if parts of it allow you to enjoy especially when you travel or experience solitude. This part definitely holds a significant emotional impact on you since you are able to enjoy.

I know you said that your mom and dad are like a past life to you but are you a past life to them? I understand they have their own families, but they may still be thinking about that one day in the future where their prodigal son/ lost sheep returns home. I know your starting to realize solitude as a problem, but maybe the strength of familial connections is what you need. If not, then I suppose finding a close-knit community of people who share interests with you would be nice as well, but this may be challenging to find and have access to. But as I typed this, I just realized that you do have a community of people at heart support as well as you have me! So, feel free to talk to me or anyone else so that we could provide the social and emotional support you may be lacking in your solitude.

It seems like you’ve definitely made up your mind regarding Christianity, and I want to let you know that I 100% respect your decision as a Christian myself. Life brings about its unfair shares of trials and tribulations causing us to question what we believe and have faith. But I am sure that if you continue to challenge the truths of this world, I am sure you will find a belief system that aligns.

Hope this helps!

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Thank you so much @Bennett_Thomas for this reply :hugs:

No I don’t think I have received that resolution.I think the toll has been very limiting up until I decided to use my adversities to fuel my talents. Spiritually speaking I was a cactus turned into a tiger. Obviously, I realized now that I should’ve put more time into lessening my adversities instead of using the hate and negativity to reach my goals.I’ve realized my environment is part of my adversities as well. Hell is not a fun place. I definitely need to change and rebuild lot of stuff in my life.

I could possibly try to reconnect with my parents. My mother did kick me for not having a job though. Which to me is very toxic. My father is toxic as well in other ways. So while in theory me reconnecting with my parents will make me happy and give me nostalgia, it doesn’t solve my homelessness and just hopelessness that i feel in this materialistic world. i just hate the idea that we have to kill and consume other creatures in order to just function. Everything just feels so very wrong. I feel like I really could try to rely on the kindness of others. I will add that I hate tough love, I just really hate this oxymoronic reality. I feel like both my parents have this in their realities in different ways and I’m really craving simplicity when it comes to love. I don’t want to keep those bitter roots. Thanks again @Bennett_Thomas